Auteur Sujet: [ENGLISH] Replace Freebox V8 with custom router (Lu 5098 fois)

TheGeekn°72 · « **Réponse #12 le:** 10 février 2024 à 21:08:07 »

Citation de: zoc le 07 février 2024 à 19:28:43

Currently there's no way to replace recent boxes (Delta, Pop and the brand new Ultra).

please tell me it's a joke

zoc · « **Réponse #13 le:** 10 février 2024 à 21:29:00 »

It's not. All 3 have an internal ONU and until now no compatible 10G-EPON ONU has been found on the market.

However all 3 support a bridge mode, which makes them (power consumption apart) almost the same as an ONU.

TheGeekn°72 · « **Réponse #14 le:** 10 février 2024 à 21:53:26 »

Citation de: zoc le 10 février 2024 à 21:29:00

It's not. All 3 have an internal ONU and until now no compatible 10G-EPON ONU has been found on the market.

However all 3 support a bridge mode, which makes them (power consumption apart) almost the same as an ONU.

this is sad to hear, having a high bandwidth plan only to be limited by mandatory hardware... oh well, thanks for giving me closure on several weeks of searching and asking around, I did find it weird that there is no documentation available on how to replace a freebox with a custom router.

hmmmm, I wonder, if I request for it, would they provide one of those "boitier fibre" that other ISPs have between the wall and the box ? (Unless those can't do SFP+ speeds, in which case it makes sense that they didn't get us one in the first place)

zoc · « **Réponse #15 le:** 11 février 2024 à 07:51:44 »

The revolution light plan comes with an external ONU. It is connected to the box through an SFP connector. Indeed, this is limited to 1 Gbps.

nbanba · « **Réponse #16 le:** 26 mars 2024 à 18:16:51 »

Hi everyone

Does someone can provide here the datasheet of 10G-EPON SFP ONU from whuan technologies (wtd.com.cn doesn't seems to be reachable from outside China, including HongKong) :

I need the datasheet of WTD RTXM166-401-C13
and of WTD RTXM166-401-C11

The actual datasheet posted on this forum is for WTD RTXM166-401 but doesn't specify the part '-c11' or '-c13'.
What is the difference between the 2 references ?

Kind regards
nbanba

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #17 le:** 28 mars 2024 à 10:58:00 »

Hello,
For me, the only external ONU I know that may support Free's 10G-EPON is this one:
https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/185594.html
If you see comment from this site: https://hack-gpon.org/xgs/ont-fs-XGS-ONU-25-20NI/
you should be able to update firmware to enable 10G-EPON mode as it is the same hardware that is supporting both 10G-EPON/XGS-GPON.

nbanba · « **Réponse #18 le:** 28 mars 2024 à 11:35:23 »

Hello

@Fuli10
Thanks for answer which may help me but which is not the answer I was needed.
I want to know the difference between the -C11 part and -C13 part of WTD-RTMX166-401-CXX module (I would access the inside EPROM and change the firmware on a WTD-RTMX166-401-C13 transeiver to use it in my FortiGate firewall XAUI port to mount a 10G-EPON Symetric link without using Freebox, and maybe I will need to use XGS-PON transceiver like WTD-RTMX166-501 or the one you purpose, after modifying its EPROM code)

I need the WTD-RTMX401-C13 datasheet but I cannot access wtd.com.cn from outside China (I already try to access from HongKong without success as if the company had been sold or closed but Wuhan Telecomunication is still registred at Blumberg Stocks, so maybe WTD still exist)

Thanks again for help
hope someone have the '-C13' datasheet

Kind regards
nbanba

felu · « **Réponse #19 le:** 27 avril 2024 à 08:18:07 »

Bonjour,
In the meantime, have you been succesful in your quest to use a custom router? I understand there are 3 ways:
a) setting the original Free-equipment to "bridge mode" and then connecting your router behind the "Freebox-in-bridge-mode" via RJ45
b) getting Free to install an external ONU/ONT (e.g. via the "revolution light" - plan) and then connecting your router via RJ45
c) modifying the firmware of a ONU/ONT - SPF connector so it clones the authentification-data and then plug this connector into the custom router into it's SFP-slot

Is my understanding correct?

Kind regards

zoc · « **Réponse #20 le:** 06 mai 2024 à 19:06:25 »

Citation de: felu le 27 avril 2024 à 08:18:07

a) setting the original Free-equipment to "bridge mode" and then connecting your router behind the "Freebox-in-bridge-mode" via RJ45

Easiest way even if it obviously increases power consumption.

Citer

b) getting Free to install an external ONU/ONT (e.g. via the "revolution light" - plan) and then connecting your router via RJ45

All externals ONUs provided by free have a Direct Attach Cable, so it's not RJ45 but SFP.

Citer

c) modifying the firmware of a ONU/ONT - SPF connector so it clones the authentification-data and then plug this connector into the custom router into it's SFP-slot

To my knowledge nobody has done that with Free: First you'll need a 10G-EPON ONU, which is by far more difficult to find than "classic" GPON ONUs. Second you'll have to figure out how to make it authenticating to the OLT, I've never seen any iinformation at least on the forum about what need to be set...

nbanba · « **Réponse #21 le:** 01 juillet 2024 à 09:50:02 »

Hi everyone

Fibrestore launch a new 10G-EPON ONU / OLT serie.
Really less expensive than XGS-PON compatible to 10G-EPON module :

At the time I'm writing, you can find it here :

https://www.fs.com/fr/products/192918.html?now_cid=4895

I need to test it directly in my FortiGate firewall after cloning authentification data from FREE custom SFP (maybe connecting the UART on directly on Freebox Cortina's chipset)

Going back to my previous question :

I need the datasheet of WTD RTXM166-401-C13 and of WTD RTXM166-401-C11

The actual datasheet posted on this forum is for WTD RTXM166-401 but doesn't specify the part '-c11' or '-c13'.
Does someone know what is the difference between the 2 references ?

Thanks and kind regards
nbanba

eugylcv · « **Réponse #22 le:** 25 août 2024 à 16:49:47 »

@nbanba

Citation de: nbanba le 01 juillet 2024 à 09:50:02

Fibrestore launch a new 10G-EPON ONU / OLT serie.
Really less expensive than XGS-PON compatible to 10G-EPON module :

At the time I'm writing, you can find it here :

https://www.fs.com/fr/products/192918.html?now_cid=4895

I need to test it directly in my FortiGate firewall after cloning authentification data from FREE custom SFP (maybe connecting the UART on directly on Freebox Cortina's chipset)

hi @nbanba, could you successfully test the module above or any other module in any third-party router with Free connection?

best regards,
Eugy

eugylcv · « **Réponse #23 le:** 27 août 2024 à 11:35:44 »

So this might be a little offtopic, but maybe not: yesterday I had an illuminating exchange of emails with a person of Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) named Lucas Lasota who gave me the advice to report my ISP to the French NRA, "The only action left is to report the ISP's bad behavior to France' telecom regulator ARCEP: https://en.arcep.fr/forms-services.html " because according to what's written here: https://fsfe.org/news/2020/news-20200601-01.en.html they adopted a discriminative behavior in my regards, that is they didn't communicate the parameters for connection with alternative hardware. They didn't offer a true alternative to their modem cascading on my apparatus as can be read in the attachment.
Thus when I get the fiber I will try again to ask them for the parameters kindly and if I get the same answer I will report them to the ACERP.
Perhaps it won't change much if only one person does it, but the sea is made of drops of water.
If you want to change your modem and ditch the boxes that come with your subscription for whatever reason you should make your voice heard and this is one correct way.