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kaxapo

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Italie: Free indique des routeurs tiers compatibles avec l'ONT SFP+ de la POP
« Réponse #12 le: 04 octobre 2022 à 17:23:49 »
Oui mais sa reste très basique et contre la loi (en aucun cas je pense que le fait d'être obliger de spoofer l'adresse mac de son modem pour celle de la Freebox soit un "libre choix de terminal" deja si c'est bridée au niveau de la mac je ne vois pas où est la "liberté" la dedans ?)

Et puis comme j'ai dit sa reste très basique l'exemple que vous venez de donner (juste un accès a internet) alors que moi je donne exemple d'un abonnement "standard" Internet+TV+Téléphonie


pipoadrien

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Italie: Free indique des routeurs tiers compatibles avec l'ONT SFP+ de la POP
« Réponse #13 le: 15 décembre 2022 à 01:21:39 »
Bonsoir,

Quelqu'un connait l'ONT SFP+ utilisé par la POP en Italie ?

Merci

Danno88

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Hi all, I'm an Iliad Italy customer since February 2022, currently I have offer with Freepop + SFP WTD RTXM166-401-C13.
Currently Iliad allows connection in Net Neutrality (free modem / router as per Italian regulation). In that case the Freepop is not delivered but a ONU F-MDONU05A.
Iliad indicates only those 2 compatible routers also because they only have 1gbe ports since the indicated ONU (not the Free-pro one) only has 1gbe output.

We have currently bought some French ONUs from ebay.fr to do reverse engineering and understand how Iliad/Free authenticates its ONU on the 10g-EPON network.
We are making small steps forward but still without success. The purpose of the test is to have 5gbe on a single device with an Sfp+ ONU that can authenticate on the 10g-EPON network.

First cons, seems not to exist ONUs in sfp+ format, with mac included that supports asymmetric 10g-epon (1310/1577 bandwith)
Second cons, it seems Iliad and Free are using DPOE (Docsis over Epon https://www.cablelabs.com/specifications-library/dpoe) at least for the Freepop provisioning, we're investigating if this method is used also in Net neutrality implementation.

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Iliad and Free using DPOE, Docsis over EPON, seems strange to me, as DOCSIS is used in cable Networks, and Free in France as no such networks, and so no need to be compatible with them. Perhaps in Italy ? You are doing your tests for reverse ingeneering in France or Italy, or both ?

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Hi,

thanks for the summary of your investigations, did you collect somewhere the data you grabbed?

Danno88

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We're going to post all the results on our github: https://hack-gpon.github.io
Not yet released but we're collecting all the dumped data of freepop, onu v1 and onu v2.

The SFP module delivered by Iliad can not work by itself since it's only a pon to eth converter. I bought a second one from france and it works perfecly, so this means (contrary of gpon) the sfp module does not play a part on the authentication process.

Danno88

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Iliad and Free using DPOE, Docsis over EPON, seems strange to me, as DOCSIS is used in cable Networks, and Free in France as no such networks, and so no need to be compatible with them. Perhaps in Italy ? You are doing your tests for reverse ingeneering in France or Italy, or both ?

You'll find some screen here: https://forum.fibra.click/d/38817-modding-e-reverse-engineering-iliadbox-e-ont

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Free à 2 versions de son ONT :
- version 1 Gbit/s livré en France avec la Freebox révolution
- version 10 Gbiut/s livré en France avec la Freebox Pro



Intéressant ce forum qui a démonté l'ONT Free : https://forum.fibra.click/d/38817-modding-e-reverse-engineering-iliadbox-e-ont







Même en version 1 Gb/s, la puce Broadcom semble gérer 10 Gb/s :

https://news.mynavi.jp/techplus/photo/article/20110119-a127/images/014l.jpg

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Danno88

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I really can not understand why they implemented such a tricky provisioning process. May be that this was intended to protect the IPTV network provided by FREE. In Italy Iliad just provide data over fiber, no TV. That can be the explanation but not sure at all.
As far as we studied, the italian implementation is the direct copy of the french one so it should be exactly tha same.

Do you know if it's some how possibile to buy the freepro onu? We did not found any, i guess Free wants it back once the contract is over, v1 and v2 are plently available on aftermarket websites, but the last one not a single unit was available.

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Free à 2 versions de son ONT :
- version 1 Gbit/s livré en France avec la Freebox révolution
- version 10 Gbiut/s livré en France avec la Freebox Pro

Même en version 1 Gb/s, la puce Broadcom semble gérer 10 Gb/s :

https://news.mynavi.jp/techplus/photo/article/20110119-a127/images/014l.jpg
Alors là, je vois pas l’intérêt de la conversion 10G/10G sur la Freebox Pro ??

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Alors là, je vois pas l’intérêt de la conversion 10G/10G sur la Freebox Pro ??
C'est un ONT, comme en Gpon, le 10G-EPON nécessite pas mal de choses (le flux est chiffré par exemple sur l'arbre), ce n'est pas juste une conversion.