Auteur Sujet: Italie: Free indique des routeurs tiers compatibles avec l'ONT SFP+ de la POP (Lu 13290 fois)

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #24 le:** 14 avril 2023 à 09:25:15 »

Citation de: alain_p le 13 avril 2023 à 09:25:49

Iliad and Free using DPOE, Docsis over EPON, seems strange to me, as DOCSIS is used in cable Networks, and Free in France as no such networks, and so no need to be compatible with them. Perhaps in Italy ? You are doing your tests for reverse ingeneering in France or Italy, or both ?

DPoE 2.0 seems to be often use. All other vendors are implementing it with their ONU:

DOCSIS DPoE 2.0 compliant -> https://us.hitrontech.com/products/service-providers/fiber-modem-routers/nova-2004-10g-xpon-ont-onu/
DPoEv2.0 -> https://www.directindustry.fr/prod/cambridge-industries-group/product-236815-2398564.html
etc.

I've also found this one https://www.sercomm.com/contpage.aspx?langid=6&type=prod3&L1id=15&L2id=12&L3id=48&Prodid=1182

Complies with IEEE802.3av, supports Asymmetric and Symmetric 10G EPON

BUT: no support of 1310 bandwidth neither DPoE...
Anyway, I personally agree with this text and hope that symmetrical will be deployed in few yearsssssssss:
https://www.primus-it.com/products/10g-symmetric-epon.html

Citer

Symmetrical mode: That is, the uplink and downlink rates are both 10G. The asymmetric mode can be considered as a transitional form of the symmetric mode. In the early stage where the upstream bandwidth demand is less and the cost is more sensitive, the asymmetric mode can be used. With the development of business and technological progress, it will gradually transition to an asymmetrical model.

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #25 le:** 14 avril 2023 à 09:39:58 »

Un autre vendeur d'ONU plutôt prometteur mais toujours que symétrique (merci @mj d'avoir dégotté ça). Par contre je ne trouve pas la référence sur le site du fabriquant:
Hisense LTF7263-BH+
Des exemples de configurations ici:
https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2353807-1-1.html
Ou là:
https://blog.kuroy.me/shanghai-telecom-1gbps-broadband-hisense-ltf7263/
En gros, non seulement is y a le DPoE à configurer, mais aussi les LOID + password + PLOAM password. Ca en fait des trucs à trouver !

renaud07 · « **Réponse #26 le:** 27 avril 2023 à 16:30:47 »

Est-ce que ça veut dire que Free en France utilise aussi du DPoE ? Car je crois que personne n'a encore sniffé le GPON directement pour en avoir le cœur net.

De même personne ne semble utiliser un ONT perso donc difficile de savoir.

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #27 le:** 28 avril 2023 à 11:28:56 »

Vu les similarités entre les offres en Italie et en France, je suis près à parier que c'est tout pareil.

davidb · « **Réponse #28 le:** 12 mai 2023 à 04:06:01 »

Citation de: Danno88 le 13 avril 2023 à 09:09:00

Hi all, I'm an Iliad Italy customer since February 2022, currently I have offer with Freepop + SFP WTD RTXM166-401-C13.
Currently Iliad allows connection in Net Neutrality (free modem / router as per Italian regulation). In that case the Freepop is not delivered but a ONU F-MDONU05A.
Iliad indicates only those 2 compatible routers also because they only have 1gbe ports since the indicated ONU (not the Free-pro one) only has 1gbe output.

We have currently bought some French ONUs from ebay.fr to do reverse engineering and understand how Iliad/Free authenticates its ONU on the 10g-EPON network.
We are making small steps forward but still without success. The purpose of the test is to have 5gbe on a single device with an Sfp+ ONU that can authenticate on the 10g-EPON network.

First cons, seems not to exist ONUs in sfp+ format, with mac included that supports asymmetric 10g-epon (1310/1577 bandwith)
Second cons, it seems Iliad and Free are using DPOE (Docsis over Epon https://www.cablelabs.com/specifications-library/dpoe) at least for the Freepop provisioning, we're investigating if this method is used also in Net neutrality implementation.

It does exist. Tibit and CIG (XE-99S) have one SFP+ with mac for 10GEPON
I have many in my lab for XGSPON. The issue is more about the OCMI interop

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #29 le:** 12 mai 2023 à 10:13:14 »

Citation de: davidb le 12 mai 2023 à 04:06:01

It does exist. Tibit and CIG (XE-99S) have one SFP+ with mac for 10GEPON
I have many in my lab for XGSPON. The issue is more about the OCMI interop

Those are all using symmetrical wavelength bandwidth (1270nm, 1577nm, equ. PR30). Our ISP is using asymmetrical wavelength bandwidth (1310nm, 1577nm, equ. PRX30).

davidb · « **Réponse #30 le:** 12 mai 2023 à 19:24:36 »

You're right.. sorry i missed the Asymmetrical point.

I don't understand the goal of not using PR30.

Fuli10 · « **Réponse #31 le:** 12 mai 2023 à 20:45:02 »

I think it is only a (old) power limitation story. First generation of ONU (MDC 2 I think) with SFP port were very hot and there were many complaining about connexion stability. At this time, some people found that with external cooling system they had better stability. So I guess there were many power issue, even with PRX30. So as PR30 needs more power (for 10G UL), you can do the math....

LolYangccool · « **Réponse #32 le:** 20 mai 2023 à 09:04:59 »

Pensez-vous qu'il sera possible (un jour peut-être...) de remplacer la Pop par les routeurs suggérés par Illiad pour l'Italie, en France, si ces derniers sont trouvables par chez-nous ?

alain_p · « **Réponse #33 le:** 20 mai 2023 à 11:20:14 »

Oui, très certainement. Ce sont les mêmes box et les mêmes technos en Italie, mais là bas, la loi impose de pouvoir donner la possibilité d'utiliser un routeur tiers, d'où les docs données par Iliad Italie.

LolYangccool · « **Réponse #34 le:** 20 mai 2023 à 12:30:33 »

D'accord.
Mais du coup, si ce sont les mêmes technos, qu'est-ce qui coince si on essaye de transposer ce qui est donné dans la doc en Italie sur un abonnement Freebox Pop français, en utilisant le matériel préconisé par Illiad en Italie ?

Hugues · « **Réponse #35 le:** 20 mai 2023 à 13:26:31 »

Le fait qu'on n'ait pas d'ONT externe